央视《对话》：探寻区块链如何改变生活

　　以下是对话实录（有删减）：

The following is a record of the dialogue (with deletions):

　　主持人：用最简洁、通俗易懂的语言解释什么是区块链？

Moderator : Explain what is a block chain in the simplest, easy-to-understand language?

　　张首晟：互联网交换的是信息，区块链交换的是价值。比如，我们要写一本书，全世界网民一起写一本书，已经写N页之后怎么做N+1页，这是区块链所达到的机制，就是我们要解一个数学难题，这个数学难题是很难解，但是一旦解出来是很容易被验证的，所以谁能先把这个难题解出来，谁就有权把下一页加进去，这就是区块链的核心思想。

The Internet is an exchange of information, and the block chain is a exchange of values. For example, we have to write a book, the Internet people around the world write a book together, the N+1 page, which is the mechanism of the block chain, which is a mathematical puzzle that is difficult to solve, but once solved, it is easy to prove, so whoever can solve this problem first has the right to add the next page, which is the core idea of the block chain.

　　陈磊：用共识记账本概括区块链更好。区块链记账就是每个人花钱时和所有的家庭成员说我要买东西了，并请其他成员们拿出记账本，将事情写下来。这样做有以下好处：第一，这个账不会错了。第二，公开透明，家里所有开支都很清楚。第三，不能篡改。当然，区块链是用算法更加高效、高性能的做这件事。因此，我们认为区块链技术是我们科技领域中的一个重要突破，不仅能够在家庭这么一个小的环境里面建立信任，也能够在社会，在很多的产业里面去建立很好的信任关系。

Chen: It is better to use a consensus book to summarize the chain of blocks. The block chain book is that every person spends money and every member of the family says I'm going to buy something, and ask the other members to come up with a book of accounts and write it down. There are the following benefits: first, the account is not wrong. Secondly, transparency is clear to all household expenses. Third, it cannot be tampered with. Of course, the block chain is a much more efficient and efficient way to do this. So, we think that block chain technology is an important breakthrough in our scientific and technological field, building trust not only in a small family environment, but also in society, and in many industries.

　　王志勤：我想试图从技术角度说一下区块链，区块链实际上是一种分布式数据库的技术，应该说叫分布式账本，构建一个低成本的信任机制，过去可能我们在记账过程中是通过不同的会计来维护不同的账本，而在区块链世界里，是很多会计共同维护同一个账本。

Wang Zhiqin: I would like to try to say from a technical point of view that the block chain is actually a distributed database technology, and that it should be called a distributed account book to build a low-cost trust mechanism. In the past, we may have maintained different accounts through different accountings in the accounting process, whereas in the block chain world, many accountants have jointly maintained the same account book.

　　Don Tapscott：我在《区块链革命》书中提及：以前是信息互联网，现在是价值互联网。在发明了区块链技术之后，密码学的专家们能解决双花的问题。现在，人们可以和各种组织做交易，可以进行价值管理，可以与信用公司、社交公司达成合作，这些都可以通过智能编码进行，我们将之称为可信协议。

Don Tapscott: In the Block Chain Revolution, I mentioned that the Internet, which used to be information, is now a value Internet. With the invention of block chain technology, cryptography experts can solve the double flower problem. Now, people can deal with organizations, they can manage their value, they can work with credit companies, social companies, all of which can be done through smart coding, which we call credible agreements.

　　元道：区块链翻译得特别好，与其对应的互联网也是三个字，区块链就是互联网的平行世界，互联网由两个部分组成，一个是互联网基础设施，是全世界共建共享的、任何一个人都可以参与的；互联网之上是互联网平台，平台已经经过20多年的发展，是独享的。什么是区块链呢？区块链就是把伟大互联网公司平台的核心能力下沉，把它变成共享的基础设施，所有的这些能力下沉以后，包括所中心化的身份，包括支付等等核心能力，都变成大家共建共享的共有一个能力，有了这样的新基础以后，所有人都可以重新回到同一起跑线上，因此区块链可以创造出一个比互联网规模还要做大十倍甚至再大一百倍的新蓝海。

Meridows: The block chain is particularly well translated and its counterpart is the Internet in three words. The block chain is the parallel world of the Internet. The Internet is made up of two parts, one of which is an Internet infrastructure that is shared around the world and in which anyone can participate. The Internet is an Internet platform that has been developed for more than 20 years. What is a block chain? The block chain is a new blue sea that sank the core capacity of the great Internet company platform and transforms it into a shared infrastructure, all of which when it sinks, including the central identity, including payment, into a shared capacity. With such a new foundation, everyone can return to the same line, so that the block chain can create a new blue sea that is 10 times, if not 100 times, larger than the size of the Internet.

　　徐昊：第一，区块链是信息革命的拐点；第二，区块链是数字经济的基石；第三，区块链是新一代互联网的战略支撑型技术；第四，区块链是用一种自证清白的方式建立一种去中介化的信任机制。

Xu: First, the block chain is the turning point of the information revolution; secondly, the block chain is the cornerstone of the digital economy; thirdly, the block chain is the new generation of strategic support technologies for the Internet; and fourthly, the block chain is a trust mechanism for de-intermediation in a self-incrimination approach.

　　主持人：请元道先生展示一下传统记账方式和利用区块链技术的记账方式会有什么样的不同。   

Moderator : May Mr. Yuando show how traditional accounting methods and block chain techniques may differ. & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

　　刘晓蕾：目前是不允许做加密数字货币的交易平台，只是不可以做中心化的交易，但是没有禁止普通老百姓买卖比特币。比特币的区块链上交易是点对点的转换，首先目前从技术层面也不太好禁止，另外目前监管层面也并没有这样的一个姿态或者是态度说是不允许，所以应该说是没有。但是我觉得可以提醒大家，对区块链、比特币还不了解的普通老百姓不要跟风炒作，因为它的投资风险还是很大的。

Liu Xiaorey: is currently a trading platform that does not allow encryption of digital money, but not centralized transactions, but does not prohibit ordinary people from buying and selling bitcoin

　　主持人：比特币现在可以当现金花吗？

Moderator: Can Bitcoin now be a cash flower?

　　刘晓蕾：不能，在绝大多数国家里都是不能，极少数的国家，像日本有一些地方非常少数的应用是可以，多数场景都是不能，特别是在中国是不可以的。

Liu Xiaoree: No, in the vast majority of countries, very few, like Japan, have very few applications, most of the scenes cannot, especially in China.

　　主持人：区块链技术有没有泡沫？

Moderator: Does block chain technology have foam?

　　陈磊：我们看到科技产业发展的时候，泡沫形成可能有两种不同的原因。2001年的时候互联网泡沫很大，很多公司或倒闭或陷入困境，形成泡沫是因为对互联网基础设施的建设远远超过了当时的发展需求；还有一种泡沫就是，在技术远远没有成熟的时候，资本非常热情的去投入到应用领域去，2015年时看到一个泡沫，就是VR的泡沫。VR泡沫造成的原因，并不是VR这件事情用户真的不喜欢，或者是没有市场，而是VR技术直到今天还未能给大家带来想象中的美好感受，甚至会带来很多头晕等问题。

Chen Jian: When we saw the development of the technology industry, there could be two different reasons for the bubble. In 2001, the Internet bubble was large, with many companies either collapsing or falling into trouble, because the construction of Internet infrastructure far exceeded the development needs of the time; there was also a bubble in which, at a time when technology was far from mature, capital was invested in applications, and in 2015 a bubble was seen as a VR bubble. The VR bubble was not caused by the fact that the VR case did not really bother users, or by the absence of markets, but by the fact that the VR technology had not yet brought about the desired good experiences, even many dizzinesss.

　　我们去看区块链的时候，我们觉得今天区块链本身没有这两个问题。至少在中国没有。第一，区块链的应用其实在中国的市场上，我觉得是相对来说比较压抑的，并没有超前。第二，区块链技术成熟的速度比很多人想象的要快，还是这句话，我觉得老百姓看得见摸得着的区块链底层技术其实就是主链技术在高速成熟，刚才有一位嘉宾讲了EOS是美国的一个区块链，可以支持实时区块链应用，今天在中国也有企业做的区块链能够支持实时的高性能的区块链应用。

When we look at the chain of blocks, we feel that the chain of blocks does not have these two problems in itself today. At least not in China. First, the application of the chain of blocks is actually on the market in China, and I think it is relatively depressing and not ahead of schedule. Second, the technology of the chain of blocks matures faster than many think.

　　元道：一方面看到区块链是新技术的开始，另外市场上存在一批三无的空气币，没有社群的信仰，没有共识，没有代码，没有真正的执行团队，我们把这个叫“三无”，三无空气币，三无币加上快速实时的传播，这就是整个泡沫的起源，我认为这个现象是客观存在的，所以我举手了。

Meridow: On the one hand, seeing that the block chain is the beginning of new technology, there is a stock of three zero air coins on the market, no community beliefs, no consensus, no code, no real enforcement team, we call this the “Thirty None”, three zero aircoins, three zeros plus rapid real-time diffusion, which is the origin of the entire bubble, and I think this phenomenon is objective, so I raised my hand.

　　赵何娟：谢谢主持人，我也算是来自行业媒体的代表，我们这些年一直关注和见证区块链、比特币。区块链发展到现在，我也认为没有泡沫。我们看待泡沫和区块链技术有没有用，这两件事要分两个层面来看，一个层面是供需泡沫另一个是资本泡沫。就是当这个行业里面根本没有任何有价值值得投资的东西，但还是有大量的资本涌进。我们看到在区块链行业里面，现在根本还没有到供大于求的程度，而是很多需求还没有被挖掘，整个生态都还没有成熟。

Thanks to the facilitator, I am a representative of the industry media, and we have been watching and witnessing the chain of blocks, bitcoin over the years. The chain of blocks has evolved to the present point, and I think there is no bubble. We look at foams and block chain technology, both of which have two dimensions: supply and demand bubbles, and capital bubbles. That is, when there is nothing worth investing in this industry, there is still a huge influx of capital.

　　第二点来看，我们来看区块链到底有没有用，与其说泡沫不如说问题，刚才元道先生有讲到，现在存在着，包括我们在媒体平台上报道大量空气币的现象，报道大量跑路项目的现象，但是这些现象是一个新生事物在发展、崛起过程中不可避免的问题。在互联网早年的时候，大家也都看到互联网应用最早、最快被应用在了黄赌毒等行业。这恰恰是这个行业这个领域不断成熟的过程。

In the second place, we look at the usefulness of block chains, rather than bubbles. Mr. Yuando has just said that there are now, among other things, a lot of air coins that we report on media platforms and a lot of running projects, but these are new things that are inevitable in the process of development and rise. In the early years of the Internet, everyone saw the first and fastest application of Internet applications in such industries as yellow bets.

　　Don Tapscott：我同意赵何娟讲的观点，1995年时人们经常会说唐先生现在噱头太多，互联网噱头太多，炒作太多了。今天说互联网的时候，就像当年1995年的时候，现在确实有很多的炒作，关于区块链有很多的炒作。但是20年之后，我们会更多的去讨论区块链，可能讨论的比现在更多。再说到泡沫，我觉得有三种不同的泡沫，一种是关于加密货币的，我觉得很多的货币他们都是垃圾货币。第二个是Token众筹。三个是关系到整个区块链，这个不是一个泡沫，这只是一个小小的种子，这在将来将会成为一个经济操作和运营的系统。所以从监管的角度来说还是很难做的。因为在某些时候，这个是需要监管的，有时候代币不是安全的，只是代表一种效用，能够让人们可以进行分享，或者是可以代表自然资产，这种就不应该被监管，不应该被禁止，应该被鼓励，所以说到监管的时候，我们就需要这种微型的手术，而不需要大张旗鼓。我觉得政府也要非常谨慎和小心，他要保护投资者，他要保护消费者，他要保护我们的民众。同时让好的技术繁荣发展，同时要创造创新型的经济。

Don Tapscott: After 20 years, I agree with Zhao's argument that there are three different kinds of bubbles, one that I think is about encryption money, and the other that I think they're all junk money. The second is Token's crowd. Three are about the whole block chain, not a bubble, and this is just a small seed, which will be an economic operation and operation system in the future. So it's still hard to do it from a regulatory point of view. Because in some cases, it's regulated, sometimes not safe, it's a proxy, it's a utility that can be shared, or it's a natural asset that I think it should not be regulated, it should not be discouraged, it should be encouraged, so when it comes to regulation, we need this mini-surge, and it's not really easy to do it.

　　谢旭辉：我们讨论过的场景大部分是与金融，与所谓的比特币等关联，应用场景层面，目前国内业界包括国际业界，基本都在关注金融，目前来讲对比特币这样的公有链做过多的了解，花很多时间做分析，可能意义不大。

Xie Xuhui: Most of the scenes that we discussed were linked to finance, to so-called bitcoin, to the application dimension. The domestic industry, including the international industry, is now largely concerned with finance.

　　台下嘉宾：其实我们在泡沫这个问题进行讨论时还要回到泡沫这个词的本身意义，我们在谈论的所有泡沫，无论是什么样的泡沫都可以归结为金融泡沫，原因在那儿呢？因为现在金融已经强大到可以从实体脱离出来，然后形成一种自我闭环，自我延伸，进行一种新的游戏，这个我们称之为泡沫。我认为区块链技术还仅仅处于受精卵的阶段，甚至还没有到胚胎的阶段，所以技术发展还处于早期，由于区块链技术本身的不成熟，造成现实场景中的应用还没有广泛的普及，但是资本对这种技术特别感兴趣，所以资本大量进入到区块链这个领域，区块链这个行业本身就形成一种虚拟的泡沫。现在谈论泡沫是必要或者是有意的，我认为本身并不重要，重要的是既然我们都清楚现在区块链的发展处于资本游戏的阶段，我还是想提醒广大的区块链爱好者和各位企业家，要冷静和清醒的认识区块链跟自己会发生什么样的关系。

In fact, we have to go back to the meaning of the word foam in our discussions on the issue of bubbles, where all the bubbles that we are talking about, whatever the bubbles are, can be attributed to financial bubbles, because now finance is so strong that it can break out of the entity, and then form a self-closing, self-extended, new game that we call bubbles. I think that block chain technology is only at the stage of fertilized eggs and not even embryos, so that technological development is at an early stage, and because of the immaturity of block chain technology itself, the application of which has not yet become widespread, capital is particularly interested, so the industry itself, which is in the area of block chains, has become a virtual bubble.

　　主持人：接下来用一个短片梳理和ICO乱象相关的情形，我们来看看。（短片播放）

Moderator: Let's take a look at a short film that's related to the ICO mess.

　　主持人：刚才短片乱象可能只是局部，在生活中听到各种各样和ICO乱象相关的情形，有的平台跑路，有的消失了，老百姓血汗钱突然没了，面对这样的乱象我们常常有一个问号，是骗子骗术太高明，还是老百姓鉴别能力稍微差一点有待提高，我们在网上进行搜集和整理，我们发现有这样几个骗术比较流行，我们展示出来，也请台上几位嘉宾包括现场各位帮我们做甄别，我们甄别方式很简单，借鉴气象预报方式用不同的色彩表达我们的预警程度，比如说红色预警是最高的，接下来下一级可能是橙色预警，再下一级可能是黄色预警。第一个是自诩海外机构代理，我在的一个微信群里曾经有人发过我们拿到一家日本机构代理牌照，所以群友们有投资有想致富迅速跟我取得联系，我想台上各位谁来给我们标识一下这个说法的预警程度，自诩海外机构代理。张教授您愿意标黄色预警、橙色预警还是红色预警，针对老百姓而言伤害程度。

Facilitator: We have just heard a few scenes, perhaps local, of various scenarios associated with the ICO chaos, some of which have disappeared, some of which have disappeared, and we often have a question mark, whether the fraud is too smart, or whether the people have a little bit less ability to identify themselves. We've been collecting and sorting them online, and we've found that there's a few tricks that we've been able to show, and we've invited a few of our guests on the stage, including those on the scene, to help us get a quick look at, and we've been sorted out in such a way that we can use different colours of weather forecasts to express our level of early warning, for example, the highest red warning, possibly orange warning at the next level, possibly yellow warning at the next level. The first one is from an overseas agency, and in one of my micro-letters we've got a Japanese agency's license, so we have a group of people who want to make a quick contact with me, and I think that anyone on the stage would give us an indication of the level of early warning, from overseas agencies.

　　张首晟：粉色，就是当中。

Zhang Hae-suk: Pink, right in the middle.

　　主持人：黄、橙、红。

Moderator: Yellow, orange, red.

　　张首晟：中间。

Zhang Hae-suk: In the middle.

　　主持人：中级水平。理由是，看来王院长不太同意，觉得级别稍微低一点吗？

Moderator: Medium level. The reason is, does President Wang seem to agree with you, feeling a little lower?

　　王志勤：我们几个商量，这些都可以标成红色，这样比较简单。

Wang Chiqqin: Let's talk about it. These can all be marked red, so it's easier.

　　主持人：王院长说以上统统红色，除了第一条预警外，其他几条，要求花钱购买其代币，第三条宣称未来其代币通过区块链完成交易。再下来许诺半个月之内翻倍，告诉你百分之多少的收益是肯定的。再来要求发展下线。你自己在我这儿投资挣到不算多，如果你在拉几个人进来，我们集体做这档生意你挣钱就翻了。所以刚才王院长的观点是以上都为红色。在红色的预警机制当中，您觉得杀伤力危害性最大的挑一个阐述一下。

: President Wang said that, apart from the first warning, there are several other articles that require money to buy their tokens, and the third that proclaims that they will be traded through the chain of blocks in the future. A further six months promise to double and tell you how much your gain is positive. And a further demand for development. You don't make much money here. If you're pulling a few people in here, you'll get paid. So the President's opinion is red. In the red early warning mechanism, you find it the most lethal one.

　　王志勤：从老百姓的角度来看，许诺半个月之内翻番，我觉得很多骗术其实都是抓住了用户的一个心理，很多人还是觉得希望能够有一个侥幸，也不能叫不劳而获，天上掉馅饼的一个好机会，实际上在很多人投资的时候需要非常谨慎了解投资的对象是什么样的，工作机理和可能产生的效果和成果是怎么样，在进行这种理性的投资。应该说在很多正常情况下很难达到这种不切实际的这样一种预期，所以这种情况下应该是特别谨慎的，往往是一个骗术。

Wang Zhiqin: From the perspective of the ordinary people, the promise doubles in half a month, and I think that many scams actually capture a user’s mind, that many people still feel that they want to have a chance to be lucky, that they can’t get away with it, that they have a good chance to lose their pies, that they actually need to be very careful about what the investment is for, what the mechanics and the likely effects and results are, and that rational investment is made. It should be said that in many normal situations it is very difficult to achieve such an unrealistic expectation, so it should be particularly cautious, often a trick.

　　主持人：王院长在红色预警区域当中选择了一个最红的，也是最值得大家警惕的，其他几位呢？张教授您选择的是什么？

Moderator: President Wang has chosen one of the redest and most vigilant areas in the red warning area. What are the others? What did Professor Zhang choose?

　　张首晟：我来评价一下，很多项目，我的确刚才在讨论是不是有泡沫的情况，首先大家对区块链的预期和期待，区块链是十倍或者是一百倍，这可能是比较漫长的一个阶段。但是所谓的泡沫，现在的确有很多的项目现在完全是泡沫。比较好的投资路线是传统VC投项目，不要一个项目马上推出ICO就面向大众，通过VC或者是著名VC做投资，几轮之后，他们会有一定判断能力，对生态有一定的了解。比如说在科技界要做ICO也是投几轮，现在区块链行业中，要把时间缩短，但是整个模式还是非常好的。因为在VC投资时，提供两个架子，一个是判断项目好坏，另外也是监督项目方，因为它有很成熟的监督机制，比如说董事会等等。这样就把我们传统VC模式用到区块链项目上，整个时间比较短。这样责任和价值还是可以的，这样大家投就放心一点。

But the so-called bubbles, there are now many projects that are really bubbles. The better route to investment is the traditional VC project, not the ICO immediately, and the ICO is directed to the general public, through VC or the famous VC. After a few rounds, they have a certain ability to judge and have some idea of the ecology. For example, ICO is a few wheels in the science and technology world, and the block chain industry is now shorter in time, but the whole model is still very good. Because when VC invests, it provides two shelves, one of which is a good judgement project, and the other is a monitoring project, because it has a very mature monitoring mechanism, like a board of directors.

　　主持人：陈磊先生你愿意哪一条标注预警程度。

Moderator: Mr. Chen, which article would you like to indicate the level of warning.

　　陈磊：我跟徐市长和王院长一直在讨论，我觉得这五条杀伤程度其实都挺大的。

Chen Jing: I've been talking to Mayor Xu and President Wang, and I think these five are quite devastating.

　　主持人：选其中一条具体说，其他的留给其他人。

Moderator: Choose one of the items, which is reserved for others.

　　陈磊：或者我从企业的角度讨论一下这个问题，我已经多次劝很多的企业，千万不要ICO。为什么呢？因为炒作的结果一定是炒家赚钱，用户受伤害，企业背锅。因为受伤害的其实是你的用户，对吧。还有就是你一旦ICO了，特别是前期去拿你项目产生的通证也好，或者说你认为是虚拟货币也好，这个项目的命运就不掌握在你手里了。我真的见过有一些做项目的人，他其实真的想做事，最后他的项目变成了空气币，怎么变成空气币的呢？因为投资人套现，投资人套现这个过程只能通过割韭菜完成，只能通过币过山车完成，最后一地鸡毛，用户对你没有信任怎么做项目。所以我们国家禁止ICO是非常明智的，至少在中国投资环境下，ICO不适合。

Chen : Or I've talked about this from a business point of view, and I've told a lot of companies that I don't want ICO. Why not? Because the result of the campaign must be that the owner earns money, the user gets hurt, the company takes the fall. Because it's actually your user, right. And when the ICO gets it, especially when it comes to getting the translator from your project, or if you think it's a virtual currency, the fate of the project is not in your hands. I've really seen some people who do the project, and he really wants to do the job, and eventually his project turns into an air currency, and how it turns into an air currency.

　　主持人：元道先生选哪一条标注预警程度。

Moderator : Mr. Maedo chooses which article to mark the level of warning.

　　元道：我先说一下不同意陈磊的看法。今天讨论全球范围内区块链不会有中国区块链和美国区块链，就跟互联网一样，一旦产生就是全球化产物，如果今天全球有ICO，中国迟早有一天面临ICO开境的问题。我很同意张教授的说法，遵循基本的规律，成熟到有足够多共识时就应该ICO。这几条里面，今天对于区块链初期阶段，最可爱最伟大的地方就是不确定，所以任何打着确定名义说的都是应该红色警报，比如说承诺半个月内翻番，类似于这样确定性，它的可以在于不确定，如果很确定，那么这就是红色警报的一个基本标志。

Yuan Dao: I disagree with Chen. Today's discussion of the global block chain will not have a Chinese block chain and an American block chain. Like the Internet, once a global product is created, if there is an ICO in the world today, China will one day face the problem of the ICO opening of the ICO. I agree with Professor Zhang's statement that following the basic rules, maturity should be the ICO when there is enough consensus.

　　主持人：其实这种不确定蛊惑性更强一点，比如说第三条，未来其代币通过区块链完成交易，你根本不明白怎么完成交易，但是他会告诉你你只要把钱投在你这儿你就别管，未来这个钱全球你都有收益。

Moderator: It's a little more perplexing than that. For example, in the third place, you don't know how to make a deal with a future token through a block chain, but he'll tell you that you just throw the money at you, and you'll get the money all over the world.

　　元道：刚才张教授讲应该有合格的投资者在参与，这个阶段不是老百姓参与的，应该是买的人要自己有足够承担风险的能力，有足够强的判断力。

Marius: Professor Zhang said that qualified investors should be involved, that this stage is not popular, that buyers should have sufficient capacity and judgement to take risks on their own.

　　主持人：现场有没有一些补充，ICO宣传中看到什么，听到什么就要绷紧你的神经了。

Moderator: Are there any additions to the scene, what the ICO saw in its propaganda, and what you hear is about to tighten your nerves?

　　台下嘉宾：犯罪活动方面，有时我们把危险过于放大，实际上犯罪分子会利用每个新的技术，而且媒体总是会过分宣传这些犯罪的事迹，比如说脸书的这个事情，比如说犯罪分子通过社交媒体来犯罪，但是犯罪分子也开车也打电话，但是没有人说汽车有问题或者是电话有问题，道理是一样。在区块链和加密货币这方面，肯定会有犯罪分子去利用这些技术，而且现在也是有人在网上卖一些假货什么的，我们已经接受这样的现象，在我们生活中一定会有犯罪分子的存在。之前我们有很多的讨论，人们也会把加密货币跟代币有一个混淆，或者是跟区块链平台混淆了，我觉得这些都是非常不同的概念，我相信之前唐先生也是做出区别，我就不再赘述了，比特币是数字货币，也是大家广泛采用的货币，主要目的就是要存储价值，人们能买它，同时也可以持有它。比如说我不能用比特币买面条，这肯定是不行的，这就是一个普通的概念了。

In the area of criminal activity, we sometimes magnify the risks too much, and in fact criminals will take advantage of every new technology, and there will always be too much publicity in the media about these crimes, like Facebook, for example, when criminals commit crimes through social media, but criminals also call in cars, but nobody says cars or telephones, it's just the same. In the area of segment chains and encrypted money, there's certainly some criminals who use these technologies, and now people sell fake goods online and stuff, and we accept that there are criminals in our lives.

　　我们现在已经有了加密货币，同时我们也有支付宝，同时也有苹果支付，还有支付宝，还有很多数字的现金，但是我觉得加密货币在未来也会成为另外一种数字的现金，而不是数字的黄金。

We now have encrypted money, and we have payment treasures, apples, payment treasures, and lots of cash, but I think encrypted money will become another figure of cash in the future, not of gold.

　　第三个概念是代币，代币就相当于衍生的货币，他们其实不会去存储价值，而是他是一种具有高投机性的货币，人们觉得买下来之后价值可以在三周之内翻倍，就会把它卖给另外一个更加愚蠢的人，有时候我们也叫做它愚蠢人的货币，另外还有一个概念区块链的平台，这个还没有到泡沫的阶段，我觉得是在发展的早期。因为这个技术是非常不成熟，所以我的最后一点是说到，我们看到很多的组织他们都在关注区块链，他们觉得是无法篡改了，而且是可以存储有价值的数据，可以是病历，也可以是供应链的记录，或者是政府身份识别的记录，或者是银行交易记录，而且现在技术非常有限，而且对技术理解非常有限，所以90%的企业，区块链的项目其实没有真正进入到落地阶段，还是停留在实验室的阶段，同时90%的一个项目还不算真正区块链的技术，只是包了一个多中心化的外皮，所以我们要等待技术的成熟。

The third concept is that of tokens, which are equivalent to derivative currencies, and they do not actually store value, but rather that of a highly speculative currency, which people think can double value in three weeks after buying it and sell to another, even more foolish person, sometimes we call it stupid currency, and there is a platform for conceptual block chains, which I think is early in development, because this technology is very immature, so I say lastly that we see many organizations that are concerned with the chain of blocks, which they feel are unable to tamper with, and that they can store valuable data, either medical records or records of the supply chain, or records of government identification, or records of bank transactions, and which are now very limited, with very limited technology, so 90 per cent of businesses, projects in the sector chain are not really reaching the landing stage, or at the laboratory stage, while 90 per cent of the project is not really the technology of the chain, but just a multi-centric outer skin, so we have to wait for the technology to mature.

　　主持人：刚刚热烈讨论让我想起很流行的四句话，刘副总理说的，很通俗，做生意要有本钱，借钱是要还的，投资是要承担风险，做坏事是要付出代价的。特别想问一问刘教授，如果我们把这四句话放在今天区块链讨论现场来理解，当中会有什么样的深刻含义。

Moderator: The lively discussion just reminded me of the four words that are popular. Deputy Prime Minister Liu said, "It's easy to do business, it's good to pay, it's good to borrow money, it's good to invest, it's bad to take risks, it's expensive to do bad things." I'd like to ask Professor Liu, what's the profound meaning of putting these four words in today's chain of discussion.

　　刘晓蕾：做坏事要付出代价，我觉得这是一个警醒，对想要不做项目，只是刷ICO想圈老百姓钱的，我们国家的监管态度是比较严格，也是警醒的作用，希望大家不要短期看泡沫，追寻这个泡沫。另外一个角度来讲，现在的币市，或者是大家炒作，加密货币的交易所非常像29年之前没有SEC之前的股票市场，那个时候股票市场跟今天的币市感觉非常像，内幕交易频繁，操纵市场，有很多假公司，就像今天的空气币一样，没有任何市值内容，就在发股票就让大家交易，所以跟今天的币市乱象非常像。正是因为这样的情况，所以后来美国痛下决心进行监管，成立了SEC。对于我们现在的币圈或者是链圈是期待监管，我们希望能够有一个，就像刚刚唐说的，一方面保护老百姓，保护这些韭菜不受到伤害，另外一方面又可以不伤害这些创新，让这些新技术有机会发展，我觉得这样的监管出台是非常有必要，可以说是势在必行的。

Liu Xiaoree: I think it's a wake-up call, and it's just an ICO that wants not to do things, and it's a bit of a stressful role to regulate our country, hoping that you don't look at the bubbles in the short term and pursue the bubble. On another note, the currency market now, or the one that you're working on, is very much like the stock market before the SEC 29 years ago, when the stock market feels very much like today's currency market, where insider trading is so frequent, there's a lot of counterfeit companies, like today's air currency, with no market value content, just like today's air currency, and it's like today's currency market, so it's very much like today's market. So it's because of this, the US is determined to regulate, and it's the SEC that we're looking forward to regulation. We want to have one, as we just said, to protect the old people, to protect the vegetables, to protect them, and not harm these innovations, and to give these new technologies a chance to develop, I think that regulation is very necessary.

　　主持人：谢谢。节目前面讨论时大家更多看到ICO乱象背后更多值得我们警醒的内容，任何新生事物需要更加客观理性看待它，刚才讨论中大家有一个共识，对于区块链不是一棍子打死，我们需要两面看，看到有乱象，当然也需要挖掘背后的价值。如何来理解它的价值呢？我找到三句很有代表性的话提供给各位做参考。来大家看一看。大屏幕上有这样的三句话，这是人们对于区块链价值的一个理解，第一句话是区块链是互联网的第二个时代。第二句话是区块链价值是互联网的十倍。第三句话是区块链是制造信任的机器。

: Thank you. There's more to be seen in front of the show about what's wrong with the ICO. Nothing new needs to be seen more objectively and rationally. There is a consensus in the discussion that the chain of blocks is not a stick to kill, we need to look on both sides, we need to see it, we need to see it, we need to dig out the value behind it. How to understand its value? I've found three very representative words for your information. Here's three sentences on the big screen, the first is an understanding of the value of the chain of blocks as the second age of the Internet. The second is that the value of the chain is ten times the value of the Internet. The third is that the chain is a machine that creates trust.

　　主持人：为何相信区块链技术就是下一个时代？

Moderator: Why do you believe that block chain technology is the next time?

　　Don Tapscott：未来，我们仅用价值互联网就能完成所有的物流运输；区块链技术也将提高我们的视频安全程度；我们可以将数据重新掌握在自己的手中，通过数据规划我们的生活，然后通过数据变现；智能合约也将保护我们的知识产权。价值互联网可以为我们带来繁荣，为社会带来公平正义。

Don Tapscott: In the future, we can complete all logistics with value Internet alone; block chain technology will also improve our video security; we can reposition data in our hands, plan our lives through data and then realize through data; smart contracts will also protect our intellectual property rights. Value Internet can bring us prosperity and justice to society.

　　谢旭辉： 知识产权是在除了金融领域之外的，在区块链领域很好的应用场景。但应该有非常重要的前提：第一，是数字的存证；第二，确权以后可以得到有效的保护，在保护基础上可以实现有效流通和交易，区块链本质性的东西，就是它与交易的天作之合，或者是无缝应用。

Intellectual property rights (IPRs) are good applications in the area of block chains, except in the financial area. But there should be a very important premise: first, they are digital evidence; and second, the right to do so can be effectively protected from effective circulation and trading on a protective basis, and what is the essence of the chain of blocks is that it is compatible with the nature of the transaction, or seamless application.

　　主持人：为何认为区块链的价值高于互联网，是互联网的十倍？

Moderator: Why do you think the block chain is more valuable than the Internet, ten times more than the Internet?

　　张首晟：人类历史和互联网历史可以用八个字理解：分久必合合久必分，到了分久必合的时代，网络信息全部散在互联网上面，大家要挖掘信息非常不容易，这时会出现像谷歌和脸书等的平台，它做的唯一的事情就是把我们所有的信息重新组合了一下。互联网时代垄断巨头们重组的就是信息，并不是产生自己的信息，产生的信息完全是我们个人。一旦信息重组，就会出现一个新的垄断巨人，所以就到了分久必合的时代。

The history of human beings and of the Internet can be understood in eight words: time and time, time and time, time and time, time, time and time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time,

　　现在由于区块链技术产生又到了合久必分时代，又是新的多中心化，新的多中心化之后赋能产生新的价值，这些数据会在我们自己的手上，个人数据产生价值是归自己所有，这是这个时代最最激动人心的时代。

Now, with the generation of block-chain technology and its new multi-centre, the new multi-centre can give new value, and the data will be in our own hands and the personal data will be in our own hands, the most exciting of these times.

　　主持人：请谈谈对于“区块链是制造信任的机器”的共鸣。

Moderator: Please describe the resonance of the "block chain is the machine that creates trust".

　　王志勤：我刚才在讲区块链定义的时候，我就觉得区块链的价值可能很多，其中最有价值是低成本建立信任的机制，现在我们感觉区块链适用范围很广，但是绝不是无所不能的技术。刚才在行业应用，以及触发进行的试点应用里可以看到，像一些公证，比如说毕业证书、文件、病历，这些文件本身当时存在的完整性、真实性认证，还有刚才我也特别听了贵州介绍贵阳建立精准扶贫，实际上我们对扶贫对象本身的身份认证，以及我们精准扶贫的资金怎么样能够精准和被扶贫对象进行衔接，最终实施监管整个资金流的到位程度和实施效果等等。这些案例我们抽取它的特征值，可以看到它有很多的特征是和信任有很大的相关性，而且这个是我们目前来看，在区块链本身非常擅长解决，而且能够低成本解决的一个属性。

Wang Zhiqin: When I spoke about the definition of the block chain, I thought that the value of the block chain might be much, the most valuable of which is the low-cost confidence-building mechanism, and we now feel that the block chain has a wide scope of application, but it is by no means omnipotent technology. In the industrial application, and in the pilot application triggered, it can be seen that, like some notaries, for example, certificates of graduation, documents, medical records, the integrity and authenticity of the documents that existed at the time, as well as the fact that I had just heard from your state, in particular, about the precision of the poverty-reducing subjects themselves, and how our precise pro-poor funds could be linked to them, eventually regulating the availability and implementation of the entire flow of funds, etc. The characteristics that we have drawn from these cases are highly relevant to trust, and this is an attribute that, as we see now, in the district chain itself, is very good at solving poverty, and that we can make low-cost solutions.

　　主持人：请徐市长谈谈区块链的核心价值？

Moderator: May I ask Mayor Xu to talk about the core value of the block chain?

　　徐昊：这是我特别感兴趣的话题，在我说这句话之前我先拿本书出来。这就是刚才主持人在发言时提到的一本书《贵阳区块链发展和应用》，这是2016年12月31日出版了一本《区块链白皮书》。

Xu Xu: This is a topic of particular interest to me, and before I say this, I will bring out a book. This is the book " The Development and Application of Preyyang Block Chains ", which was mentioned by the moderator in his statement, and a White Paper on Block Chains was published on 31 December 2016.

　　我自己认为区块链最大的价值是确立数权，解决数据的产权。刚才张老师谈到在现实世界当中我们接触互联网，我们产生各种各样的行为，产生各种大量的行为数据被运营商，被互联网的服务商所采集，而这些采集的数据产权是没有归属的，这是一个很大的灰色地带，所以为什么最近贵阳市在制定《大数据安全条例》时，我们碰到的第一个问题就是这个问题，就是如何确定数据的边界，如何保护真正属于公民，或者是企业的隐私和机密，这个边界很能确定，区块链最大的价值就是确立数据的产权，如果物质社会时代《物权法》构成整个经济社会发展运行规则的基础，那么在数据经济时代，《数权法》我们认为数字经济运行的整个一套经济规则，这是我想谈的第一个观点。

I myself believe that the greatest value of the block chain is the establishment of numerical rights and the resolution of the property rights of the data. Mr. Zhang just spoke of our access to the Internet in the real world. We have a wide variety of behaviors, resulting in a wide range of behavioral data being collected by operators and Internet service providers, which are not owned by a large grey area, so why, in the recent development of the Big Data Security Regulations in Guiyang City, the first question that we have encountered is how to determine the boundaries of the data, how to protect the privacy and confidentiality of the real citizen, or of the business, which is very certain. The greatest value of the block chain is to establish the property rights of the data. If the Material Society Age Bill of Rights forms the basis for the rules of operation of economic and social development as a whole, then in the Data Economic Age, the Digital Power Law considers the entire set of economic rules of the digital economy to be the first point I would like to make.

　　第二个观点，区块链应用过程中它其实是一个投射器，我们讲线上的世界和线下的世界，现在进入数字社会的时代的时候，我们从过去互联网1.0版进入到互联网2.0版。

The second point is that, in applying the block chain, it is actually a projector, the world on our line of instruction and the world under our line, and now as we enter the age of the digital society, we have moved from former version 1.0 of the Internet to version 2.0 of the Internet.

　　无论说区块链怎么样应用，最基础的一条是因为运用区块链技术把数据进行了确权，所以产生了所有流转交易基础，这是区块链最大的价值。

Regardless of how the block chain is applied, the most basic one is that the application of block chain technology to validate the data has created a basis for all trans-shipment transactions, which is the greatest value of the block chain.

　　主持人：区块链技术的应用场景如何，哪些表现更为强劲？

Moderator: What was the application of block chain technology and which performance was stronger?

　　徐昊：我举一个贵阳案例，现在国家在推动数字经济发展的时候，其实政府一直在担当一个先头部队的角色，这个数据的开放对全社会发展都有极大益处。这个过程中我们发现一个问题，部门与部门数据如何实现共享，共享过程如何被记录，这是困扰很多部门的一个难题。因为按照现行体制和法规的规定，数据谁开放谁负责，这就套上一个紧箍咒，所以在贵阳推动政府数据共享开放过程中我们建立法人基础库，电子证照基础库等等，这个是全国唯一的，我们在其中加了身份链，这个身份链其实就是区块链。我们通过把身份链库变成一个基础库，就是对所有政府部门的数据，我们全部进行了活化目录梳理之后，我们用区块链做了标识，而且在这些数据被产生和共享的过程当中，正如刚才张老师所谈到的，都会被那条时间链条所记录，这样一来我们就很清楚的知道，这条数据是谁的，这条数据被谁用过。这条数据被用过多少次，到这条数据是哪一个部门开放的，包括开放以后是哪些使用者在使用这个数据。所以我讲，它解决了我们推进便民服务过程中，通过让数据多跑腿，群众少跑路过程中困扰我们的很大问题，这也是我们在区块链，政务领域当中应用的一个经验。

Xu-yang: I take the case of you, and now the government has been acting as a leading force in promoting digital economic development, and the opening up of data is of great benefit to society as a whole. In this process, we find the problem of how departmental and sectoral data are shared and how the process of sharing is recorded. Because, as established by the current system and regulations, who is responsible for the data is marked with a tight spell, as in the process of generating and sharing the data, as in the case of Mr. Zhang, we have been able to create a corporate base in the process of sharing government data, the electronic database, etc., which is the only one in the country, in which we have an identity chain, which is actually a regional chain. By turning the identity chain into a database, which is a database for all government departments, we've been using it, and we've been using it as an open section, and we've been using it in the process of using it, and we've been using it, and we've been using it, and we've been using it, and we've been using it, and we've been using it, and we's, and we's, and we's, and we's, and we's, and we's, we's, and we's, and we's, and we's, and we's, and we's, and we's, and we's, we's, and we's, and we's, we's, and we's, we's, we's, and we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, and we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, and we's, we, we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, we's, we's

　　主持人：请问陈磊先生，您认为区块链在哪些领域可以大放异彩？

Moderator: Mr. Chen Jing, in what areas do you think the block chain could be so grand?

　　陈磊：这些例子里确实有很多实实在在的应用，比如说香港知识产权交易所在做知识产权的确权。其实确权本身的目的还是为了促进经济的发展，刚才讲到的区块链为什么能够带来更大的价值？能够做到一些现代技术做不到的事情。香港知识产权交易所在做确权的时候想法是这样，比如说3DX光机的知识产权，这个知识产权是一个非常先进的一个技术，今天如果要使用这个知识产权，你可能要购买一年的使用权，或者是两年的使用权，这个成本是很高的，代价非常高。能不能购买一千次的使用权呢？如果你购买一千次的使用权时，怎么能保证这个企业真的只使用一千次而不是使用十万次。在他们经验当中曾经发生过这样的案例，比如说成龙的龙字，卖给一家企业使用十万次，最后发现使用几千万次，没办法追溯。当一个知识产权能出售的时候，带来的结果是什么呢？一些资金实力比较差的诊所也可以买，先买一千次看看我挣不挣钱，如果赚了钱我再买一万次。传统的方式把他们排除在门槛之外。

Chen: There are many practical applications in these examples, for example, that the Hong Kong Intellectual Property Exchange is doing intellectual property rights. Indeed, the purpose of surety is to promote economic development. Why does the chain of blocks just mentioned bring greater value?

　　我再讲一个有意思的故事，前一段时间我记得有一个争论，华为手机上面微信的数据到底是微信可以用，还是华为可以用，到底是谁的。微信曾经说过华为你用了我的数据，这个数据是在我的应用中产生。其实我就在想区块链的价值是什么？区块链的价值是把数据财富还给了数据财富应该的拥有者就是个人。非常认同徐市长刚才讲的这个道理。

I'm going to tell an interesting story, and I remember a while ago when there was a debate as to whether or not the data we trusted on the cell phone could be used, or whether it could be used, or who. We were saying that we used my data for you, and this data was produced in my application. I was thinking about the value of the chain of blocks. The value of the chain of blocks is that it is personal to return the wealth of the data to the owner of the wealth of the data. We agree very much with what Mayor Xu has just said.

　　在我们迅雷链上有一个开发者在做一件非常有意思的事情，他把人的基因测序，包括把与基因测序相关病历病史上链，这件事情对精准医疗，对生物工程，对制药行业都有很大的意义和价值。今天数据不但稀少而且高度分散。上链的时候，他需要鼓励用户做这件事情，怎么做到这一点呢？他说“如果你把你的基因测序上了链，如果有研究机构用了你的数据研究他的治疗解决方案，比如说未来它能够更有效治疗糖尿病了，今天在他是你的基因数据时给你一个通证，通证相当于积分，未来研究成功可以拿积分兑换服务，这是非常合理的使用区块链上的加密的数字通证的非常好的案例。

A developer on our rapid chain is doing a very interesting thing, and he's going to sequence the human genome, including the history of gene-sequencing-related pathologies, which is of great significance and value to precision medicine, to bioengineering, and to the pharmaceutical industry. Data are scarce and highly dispersed today. When he's on the chain, he needs to encourage users to do this, how can he do it? He says, “If you put your gene sequence on the chain, if there are research institutions that can use your data to study his therapeutic solutions, for example, in the future, it will be more effective in treating diabetes, and today, when he is your genetic data, he will be able to give you a pass, which is equivalent to a fraction, and the success of future research in building up a cumulative exchange service, which is a very good example of using the encrypted digital passbook on the block chain.

　　Don Tapscott：我们在写了《区块链革命》之后，我们就创立了区块链的研究机构，我们做了80个项目关于使用案例，关于应用场景的。这四个只是80个项目当中的一部分，就像我们有80个孩子，有人会问你到底谁是你最喜欢的孩子，对我来说很难选谁才是我最喜欢的孩子。我就讲一个，1994年，我就会说，可能我们的数据会被一小部分公司所掌握，比如说脸书、谷歌等。我们的财富在不断增长，但是中等阶层在不断缩减，我觉得互联网是其中很大一部分。互联网会把我们团结在一起，但是也会走向另外一个方向，我们可能就会陷入到自己的小圈子里面，就会形成分崩离析的局面。

Don Tapscott: After we wrote The Block Chain Revolution, we created research institutes in block chains, and we did 80 projects on the use of cases and applications. These four are only part of 80 projects, like we have 80 children, and it is difficult for me to choose who is really your favorite child. I say one thing, in 1994, I would say that our data may be in the hands of a small group of companies, like Facebook, Google, and so on. Our wealth is growing, but the middle class is shrinking, and I think the Internet is a large part of it. The Internet will unite us, but it will also move in another direction, and we may fall into our own little circle, and we may be in a disarray situation.

　　对于我来说，如果要我来总结的话，其实区块链最大的一个机遇就是我们可以解决很多之前的问题，而这些问题都是之前互联网时代带给我们的。比如说我们想一想繁荣。我们可以让20亿人进入到全球经济，这些人是没有身份的，他们可能没有银行账户，但有计算机，我们就可以给他们提供金融服务了。

For me, if I sum up, one of the greatest opportunities in the block chain is that we can solve many of the problems of the past, which were brought to us by the age of the Internet. For example, we can think about prosperity. We can get 2 billion people into the global economy, who have no identity, who may not have bank accounts, but with computers, we can provide them with financial services.

　　区块链也可以让我们创建很多初创公司，因为这些小型的公司可以享受与大公司一样的资源，因为他们可以获得外部的资产，获得外部的价值。同时我们也可以解决我们很多身份的问题，同时我们也能够打造一个社会，在这个社会里面会有一个政府，对于我们实现繁荣来说是非常重要，非常关键的。所以技术不能解决问题，人才能真正去解决问题。

Block chains can also allow us to create many start-up companies, because these small companies can enjoy the same resources as large companies, because they can access external assets and gain external value. We can also solve many of our identity problems, and we can build a society in which there is a government that is very important and crucial to our prosperity. So technology does not solve problems, so that people can really solve them.

　　中本聪为普通人带来了另外一个机会，我们可以去打造更加正义，更加繁荣的世界，而且可以使用数字的信用实现代币，实现更加可持续的世界。

China has given ordinary people another opportunity to build a more just and prosperous world, and to use digital credit to achieve a more sustainable world.

　　主持人：我们总是把互联网时代日益成熟的技术和应用跟区块链在做对比，我们是不是要用区块链颠覆我们原有所有已经成熟的做法？   

Moderator: Are we always comparing the increasingly mature technologies and applications of the Internet age to the chain of blocks? & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

　　王志勤：区块链技术还是在初始阶段，很多应用还是在不断发掘过程中。从目前来看，业界大家也在讨论关于区块链的定位问题，大家总体认为区块链还没有出现完全可替代性质，基本上还是说在现有的一些应用场景上，我觉得在互联网的平台上增加了可信任的功能的进一步增强，所以可能在现有阶段可能还没有达到完全颠覆性的作用，但是我想也许随着目前区块链技术不断发展，包括现在的单链向多链发展，而且技术能够在进一步扩展，我想未来还是可能会出现，特别是在交易等方面出现颠覆性的，特别是对现有产业的很多颠覆性的场景。

Wang Zhiqin: The block chain technology is still in its initial stages, and many applications are still in the process of being discovered. From now on, industry is also discussing the location of the block chain, which is generally perceived to have not yet been entirely alternative, or, basically, on some of the existing applications, which I believe may not be fully subversive at the current stage, but I think that, as the technology of the block chain evolves, including the single chain to multiple chains, and the technology can expand further, it is likely that it will continue to appear in the future, especially with respect to trade, and in particular with regard to many of the destabilizing aspects of the existing industry.

　　主持人：请元道先生说说哪一个领域中，区块链技术不应该那么热？   

Moderator : May Mr. Yuando say in which area the block chain technology should not be so hot? & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

　　元道：区块链的本质是在不可信的网络建立可信的信息交换。如果应用场景里面各方本来是可信，企图通过区块链提高信任，那么这不是区块链发挥作用的地方。如果传统银行不进行变革，那么在现有银行的清算系统内引入区块链的技术，没有新的通证，没有新的共识，没有社群，这种情况下这种区块链是起不到作用的。

The essence of the block chain is to build a credible exchange of information in an untrustworthy network. If the parties in the application are credible and try to increase trust through the block chain, then this is not the place where the block chain works.

　　张首晟：本来比较容易中心化的领域先不要用区块链技术。我想为中国国策提一个建议，一带一路+一链，本来整个世界都围绕全球化做讨论，中国是完全拥抱全球化，但是我们又看到英美在全球化上走了一个退步。要想走全球化，首先在全球范围内不应该有一个中心机构，要把国家全部联系起来的话，用区块链是最好的办法。中国已经把一带一路建成一个国策，怎么来推行，本来一带一路上每个国家也是多中心化的。在一带一路范围里面先推区块链，比现在在中国推区块链要来得好，因为中国本身内部很多地方已经相当中心化，而且效率已经很高了。而且在国际范围里面，全球化范围里面，本来每个国家有自己的制度，有自己的金融系统，一带一路再加一链把他们全部连在一起，这是中国对整个全球化的想法。

In order to move forward with globalization, there should be no central institution at the global level, and it would be the best way to link the country as a whole, using a block chain. China has built the belt as a national policy, and how it should be implemented, with each country becoming multi-centric. Pushing the chain as a whole is better than pushing the chain now in China, because many parts of China are already quite central and efficient.

　　肖雪：我认为质量是比较适合在区块链领域推行落地场景的。因为质量参与方很多，企业、监管部门、消费者，还有服务机构，本身是存在着共识结构的。我举一个例子，我们在跟中国检验检测协会中检联合国投集团做了质量链的一个体系，要做什么呢？是建立一个以企业信用为核心打造一个长效机制来实现整个质量在供应链上的闭环。我举一个实际例子，买一个阿胶产品有很多假货，老百姓在网上扫阿胶二维码不是简单的呈现，是原材料到流通环节到最后质量优劣保证，那只是产品优劣的开始，但也是服务的延续。在这个过程中有什么呢？有政府监管数据，有检验检测数据，有企业质量数据还有流通保障数据。在不同质量主体中转换，多个质量主体勾勒出整个质量的范围，在这个范围内大家去产生共享，产生共治的结构，本身质量就是共治环境，过程中良币驱劣币。

Shaw Shei: I think that quality is more appropriate in the field of block chains. There is a consensus structure in itself because there are many quality players, businesses, regulators, consumers, and service providers. Let me give one example. What are we doing in a system of inspection of the quality chain with the United Nations investment group in the China Testing and Testing Association?

　　女嘉宾：我最想说三句话，在数字世界以及现实世界中，信任都非常重要，这是毋庸置疑的。我不提赞同区块链是制造信任的机器，并不是说你我都在链上，你我之间就可以信任。你我之间信任还是基于物质世界以及物理世界里的所作所为，就像徐市长所说，我们有大量的人口库政务数据里，有地理库，所有信息记载了我们活动，经济社会活动的流动，这些的流动在链上登记之后让我们产生了信任的无损传递，其实我认为区块链更大的不是制造信任，而是让信任产生无损的传递，整个降低社会的摩擦成本，从而提高整个效益。我是来自贵州贵阳的一个区块链本土企业，本身刚才徐市长从身后像变宝一样变出来的纸其实是从我手机上截屏发给徐市长，首先很感谢贵阳给我们这样的土壤让我们把身份链应用在这里。我必须说陈伟鸿老师，你有时间驱车两个小时到贵阳下面的一个小山村凤山村，你随便抓一个村民问区块链是什么，区块链好不好，每个村民都会竖起大拇指说区块链好。

Ladies: I'd like to say three things: trust is very important in the digital world and in the real world. I don't want to say that the chain of blocks is a machine that creates trust, not that you and I are all in it, and you can trust it. You and I are still based on the material world and what we do in the physical world. As Mayor Seo said, we have a large pool of geographies, all of which record our activities, the flow of economic and social activities, which, when registered on the chain, make us trustless transmissions. I think that the chain of blocks is bigger than confidence-building, but rather that the entire cost of friction should be reduced.

　　主持人：这是你们规定好的标准答案吗？区块链解决的信任问题，我们之前就知道有所谓食品安全的追诉机制，从餐桌到农田，以前就可以确保信任，现在当地农民朋友为什么愿意接受区块链，为什么愿意说区块链好，因为以前那个东西就很好了。

Moderator: Is this the standard answer you set out? The block chain solves the question of trust. We knew earlier that there was a mechanism for pursuing food safety, from the table to the farm, to ensure trust. Now why the local farmer's friends are willing to accept the block chain, why they are willing to say that the block chain is good, because it was good before.

　　台下嘉宾：时间特别紧，如果有时间我特别想长时间说。凤山村农民生产的猕猴桃是我吃过最好的猕猴桃，凤山村销售价格是5元一斤，贵阳市是15块钱一斤，到深圳等其他的地区是6块钱一个，当我们的农民诚信种植给出一个生态的诚信种植价值，他却没有分享收益。区块链可以自证清白，每个猕猴桃来自贵州，农民诚信种植生产出来，溢价可以让更多农民获得享受，所以农民觉得区块链好。

Ladies and gentlemen: Time is particularly tight, if I have time to say so for a very long time. Peungshan farmers produce the best monkeys I've ever had, Peungshan sells at $5 a pound, Guiyang sells at $15 a pound, and other areas such as Shenzhen at $6. When our farmers grow in good faith to give an ecological value, he does not share the proceeds. The chain is self-proof, each monkey comes from Guizhou, the farmer grows in good faith, and the premium is good for more farmers, so farmers feel that the chain is good.

　　台下嘉宾：我是做美发行业，过去的时候讲互联网+，现在开始讲区块链+，我想问问元老师，区块链能不能+美发行业，谢谢。

Ladies and gentlemen: I'm in the hairdresser industry, I used to talk about the Internet + and now I'm talking about the block chain + and I'd like to ask Mr. Yuan if the block chain can be added to the hairdresser industry. Thank you.

　　元道：区块链在与实体经济结合，与实体经济的结合是区块链技术的最大蓝海。实体经济里既有通过互联网得到的服务，互联网服务。也有一些大型实体行业，电力、环保、协同制造，这些也是可以和区块链有深度结合。像美发，具体到美发一个小微经济，小微经济有一个很大的问题，品牌没法传承。如果一个美发业主，一个小微业者能够发行美发通证，是代表了说他用心来做这个行业。区块链本身是信任、信用、信仰，三个信互动的。所以我觉得只要在信用体系里面，原来在信任、信用和信仰这方面没有作为，都有机会结合。

Meridows: The link between a block and the real economy is the largest blue sea of block-chain technology. The real economy has both Internet-based services and Internet-based services. There are also large physical industries, electricity, environmental protection, and co-manufacturing, which can be deeply linked to the block-chain. Like hair, specifically hair, to a micro-economic, there is a big problem in the micro-economy, and brands cannot be inherited. If a hairdresser issues a hairdresser's certificate, it means that he has a heart to do the business. The chain itself is trust, credit, faith, and three letters. So I think that there is an opportunity to combine as long as there is a credit system where trust, credit, and belief are not done.

　　主持人：请问徐市长，你们选择这样的一条道路究竟出于什么样的考虑：

Moderator: May I ask Mayor Xu, what are the reasons why you chose such a path:

　　徐昊：我想反过来回答陈伟鸿老师的问题，最近大伙说区块链热，开始说ICO，现在这股热潮已经传递到很多地方了。很多地方都在提我们要打造区块链产业基地，我们要打造区块链产业园，甚至打造区块链小镇等等，这个是区块链虚热的一种传递和延伸。是我们认为现在区块链还处于早期，很多技术还不成熟。特别是在区块链的智能合约和共识机制这当中，这样的一些技术，现在我觉得还有很长的路要走，所以我们讲现在从贵阳来说，我们想更多去接地气，区块链跟现实技术和需求结合能更好推动区块链的发展。

Xu: I would like to answer back to Mr. Chen Wei-hong’s question, who recently said that the chain of blocks was hot and started to speak of ICO, which has spread to a lot of places. There are many places where we want to build a block-chain industrial base, we want to build a block-chain industrial park, even a block-chain town, and so on, which is a transmission and extension of the block chain’s inflammation. It is our view that the block chain is still early and that many technologies are not yet mature. Some of these technologies, especially in the case of the smart contracts and consensus mechanisms of the block chain, I think there is still a long way to go, so we say now that, from Guiyang, we want to go to get more ground gas, and that the block-chains, coupled with real technology and needs, can better drive the development of the block chain.

　　这里我想谈到一个问题，刚才元道老师提及互联网时谈到一个情况，当互联网出现时，全世界任何一个国家要用互联网，我认为互联网也是有主权的。因为没有主权的互联网已经暴露出很大的弊病，这就是为什么习近平总书记提出来要构建人类命运共同体，要共同去治理网络空间，就是这个道理。

Here I would like to touch upon a point where, when Mr. Yuando mentioned the Internet, when the Internet appeared, any country in the world had access to the Internet, and I think the Internet was sovereign. Because the non-sovereign Internet has exposed a great deal of ills, that is why Secretary-General Xi Jinping proposed to build a community of human destinies and to govern cyberspace together.

　　我想同样在我们区块链发展当中也面临这样一些问题，特别是我们刚才谈到，我们通过区块链技术会把现实世界当中各种行为，各种生产关系，各种相互之间的逻辑全息投射到虚拟世界，投射到网络世界的时候，这个时候我们需要运用主权区块链来归置在互联网当中的很多价值规范和数据传递的过程，所以我就说主权的互联网需要配套主权的区块链来共同进行归置。所以基于这个观点，我们也提出了主权区块链，由此我们进一步提出基于区块链的技术，我们可以进一步的发展出治理科技。也就是说从过去的金融科技，我们在谈论时，现在已经谈论治理科技，治理科技更多的是一种网络的治理，这种网络的治理是因为人类进入数字社会之后，必然会要求我们对于各种价值进行更加规范的管理。

I think we also face such problems in the development of our block chains, especially when we have just said that, through block chain technology, we can project behaviors in the real world, productive relationships, logic all over each other into the virtual world and into the network world, at a time when we need to use the chain of sovereign blocks for many of the value norms and data transfer processes that are embedded in the Internet, so I say that sovereign Internet requires a chain of sovereign blocks to be put together together. So, based on this view, we have also proposed a chain of sovereign blocks, so that we can further develop the technology based on the block chain.

　　主持人：请王院长从学术研究角度来看，区块链这么热的概念背后到底有没有什么样的风险是需要大家来警惕的？

Moderator: Mr. Wang, from an academic point of view, is there any risk behind this hot concept of block chains that requires everyone's vigilance?

　　王志勤：刚才几位嘉宾也都谈到了，实际上现在区块链本身还是初始阶段，所以包括区块链的信息传递、加密，这个过程中出现量子加密和其他加密，实际上对区块链本身所采用的加密算法攻击现象也时有发生。包括刚才也提到区块链也是作为一种资产的认定，数字资产的一个认定，但是现在我们很多都是用密码算法，或者是作为我们来解密的钥匙，但是如果密码忘记了，很可能你现在的资产就丢掉了，你不能够在得到你原来的这些资产，所以在资产管理，包括信息传递和一些安全这些方面，应该说都还是存在着一些隐患。当然那么从技术角度，现在我们区块链本身处理的速度，或者说本身的扩展性，因为从工作机理的角度来看，是要把整个账本要复制给所有的参与人员，所以在区块链本身的运作效率和扩展性方面还是比较受限的。这些我们觉得都还是需要进一步在技术方面有进一步的发展。

Wang Zhiqin: As several guests have just mentioned, the block chain itself is in fact still in its initial stages, so it includes information transmission, encryption, mass encryption and other encryption in the process, as well as actual attacks on the cryptographic algorithms used in the block chain itself. This includes also the reference to the block chain itself as a recognition of assets, a determination of digital assets, but many of us now use cryptographic algorithms or as a key to our decryption, but if the password forgets, it is likely that your current assets will be lost, and that you will not be able to obtain your original assets, there should still be some pitfalls in asset management, including in the transmission of information and some aspects of security.

　　主持人：请刘教授谈谈能不能对区块链技术进行监管，监管度如何把握？有些人会担心，之前其他领域不管就乱，一管就死，这样的现象会出现在我们的监管过程当中，您怎么看待这个问题。

Moderator: Mr. Liu, how can you control the block chain technology? Some people fear that other areas will be disturbed before they die, and this happens in our regulatory process. What do you think of this?

　　刘晓蕾：我觉得监管也是摸索的过程，不仅中国，包括美国等很多其他西方国家，这是一个新兴事物，如何监管也是一个摸索的过程，但是我觉得总要开始，不是管死不让它搞就好，我们要在开放监管过程中寻求最优的方法。现在我个人观点，监管完全应该考虑我们自己搞一个数字资产的交易所，因为如果数字经济时代，数字资产作为核心资产，数字经济大家都认同，数字资产作为核心资产，我们作为一个大国，无论是争夺资产定价权还是有话语权也好，我觉得去开发一个，或者是我们自己去搞一个自己的数字资产交易所都是非常有必要的，在搞的过程中我们就会摸索出来比较好的监管经验。

Liu Xiaoree: I think regulation is also a process of tweaking, not only in China, but also in many other Western countries, including the United States, which is a new thing and how, but I think it is always necessary to start, not to let it go, but to find the best way to open regulation. Now, it is my personal view that regulation should fully consider our own exchange of digital assets, because if digital assets are accepted as core assets in the digital economy, digital assets as core assets, we as a big country, whether we compete for asset pricing rights or have a voice, I think it is very important to develop one, or we do our own digital asset exchange, and we will have better regulatory experience in the process.

　　主持人：请你们来帮我们解答，怎么才能让区块链更好放大它的价值，防范他可能隐藏的风险？   

Moderator: How can you help us solve the problem so that the block chain can expand its value better and avoid the risks he might hide?

　　Don Tapscott：有一个非常著名的宫廷故事，就是一个皇帝邀请围棋发明人来到宫廷，他告诉发明者说我非常喜欢围棋这个游戏，你可以许一个愿望，任何愿望都可以，发明者说我希望在棋盘上有一道米，第二盘里有两个米，第三盘有四个米，然后就是不断的增加。其实这个皇帝对数学并不太在行，在三天之后象棋发明人做了计算，他无法实现这个愿望，因为很多都是已经有了这个米。象棋每个棋盘上都放一厘米，下一个企盼上放的米是头一个米的两倍，最后全世界米加起来也没办法满足象棋发明者的愿望。

Don Tapscott: In a famous court story, an emperor invited chess inventors to the palace, who told the inventor that I loved chess games very much, that you could make a wish, whatever you wanted, that I wanted to have a rice on the board, two rice in the second, four rice in the third, and then a constant increase. In fact, the emperor was not very good at mathematics, and three days later, the inventor of chess had calculated that he could not achieve it, because many of them already had it. Each chess board had a centimetre, the next one would have twice as much rice as the head, and finally the world could not add rice to it.

　　通过区块链，通过其他的一些技术，不管是AI还是说物联网，还是说是无人驾驶的汽车，还是说机器学习，我们现在这种变化的速率是非常快的，而且我们现在也很难去理解所有的技术变化，更不要说进行一些合适的监管，或者是在我们公司里面运用一种有效的方式进行监管。所以我们现在比较害怕我们不了解的东西，到底什么是我心中的风险呢？一百年前伦敦时，当时有一个汽车新兴，当时英国政府有一个新的法律叫做《红旗法》，如果你现在要有汽车的话，你就必须要有一个司机，有一个导航仪器，同时你也必须要有人走在你的车前边之前，拿着红色的旗子，这样就不会吓到其他的马，这就要红旗法，这样的监管当时伤害英国汽车的发展，英国汽车行业并没有得到真正的腾飞。我们现在就处于这样的时期，我们可以称为非常理性的监管者，我们会有审慎的监管，我们会有非常严格的监管。有人有一个代币，不知道代币价值是否会增长，就要不同的处理方式，如果现在有人要我的公司，我能够拿到10%的回报，这属于证券式的产品，证券产品就要得到证券法的管理，如果有人有诈骗或者是布下庞氏骗局，我们也有法律可以惩处这些骗子，我们今天也有法律可以覆盖到我们现有的所有技术，让我们更好的进行数字经济的发展。

So we're more afraid of what we don't know, and what the risks are in my mind? A hundred years ago in London, when the British government had a new law called the Red Flag Act, and if you had a car now, you'd have to have a driver, a navigation device, and you'd have to walk in front of your car, with a red flag, so that you wouldn't scare other horses, not to mention the red flag, which would hurt the growth of the British car at the time, the British car industry had not actually flown. We're in a period of time, we could call it a very rational regulator, we'd have careful regulation, we'd have very strict regulation.

　　现在做监管者可以说是最难的时候了，我觉得对于每个国家来说，都是一个问题，就是怎么样能够把这个平衡做好。一方面要保护消费者，要让创新得到繁荣发展，另外一方面又能保证坏人得到惩罚。

Regulators can be said to be the hardest time, and I think that for every country it is a question of how to balance this balance. On the one hand, to protect consumers, to make innovation flourish, and on the other, to ensure that bad people are punished.

　　王志勤：对区块链这样的新生事物，从政府的角度，在监管层面应该给予适度谨慎，一方面是谨慎，另外也是宽松的发展环境。从区块链发展开始，1.0时代是以比特币为代表，现在我们觉得进入到区块链的2.0，也就是说币和链同步发展的过程。所以在这个过程中，我们要积极鼓励区块链产业的发展，当然了从监管的角度来说，我们要对币的发放还是起到非常谨慎的态度。在具体的监管方面，也是要针对目前区块链难于监管的复杂情况，确实要实现以币治币，以链治链的方式，我们构建这样的监管链，刚才徐市长提到对区块链实施有效的监管，同时积极促进它的发展，成为数字经济的重要基础。

Wang Zhiqin: From the government’s point of view, due care should be exercised at the regulatory level, on the one hand, and in a liberal development environment, on the other. Starting with the development of the block chain, the 1.0 era was represented by bitcoin, and we now feel that the process of moving into the sector chain is 2.0, that is to say, currency and chain development. So, in this process, we must actively encourage the development of the sector’s chain industry, and, of course, from the regulatory point of view, we must be very cautious about the issuance of currency.

　　主持人：提到监管我们就觉得像徐市长这样的人应该会觉得责任重大，政府的职能部门到底应该如何在这个过程中发挥自己的作用。

Moderator: With regard to regulation, we think that people like Mayor Xu should feel responsible and how the functions of government should play their part in this process.

　　徐昊：在开篇的时候我谈了四句，陈伟鸿老师让结尾我谈两句，加起来六句。

Xu Xu: I said four words at the beginning, and Mr. Chen Wei-hong asked me to end with two words and six words combined.

　　第一句，工欲善其事必先利其器，我们要回归本原，要踏踏实实沉下心来，认真从事创新，特别是技术的创新，特别是核心技术的创新，因为未来区块链技术的竞争，区块链未来一定是核心竞争。

In the first sentence, working well requires doing well, and we must return to the original, and we must seriously engage in innovation, especially technological innovation, especially core technology, which must be core competition in the future.

　　第二句，脚踏实地让子弹飞一会儿。因为区块链现在还是新兴的技术，新兴的技术，新兴技术要不断调整不断竞争，所以要和具体场景结合，在这个过程中我们要保持刚才王院长所谈到的我们要保持宽容的心态，让子弹飞一会儿，在这个过程中，明确从监管部门角度讲，应该旗帜鲜明的把红线和边界划清楚，任何以新技术为噱头的资本游戏应该是被禁止的。这种游戏不利于社会，也不利于我们技术的发展，反而会出现脏水和孩子一起被泼掉的情况。

In the second sentence, let the bullet fly for a while. Because the block chain is still a new technology, a new technology, a new technology, a new technology that has to be constantly adapted and competing, we have to combine it with the specific scenes, in which we have to maintain what President Wang said earlier about the need to be tolerant and allow bullets to fly for a while, in which it is clear from the regulatory sector that red lines and boundaries should be clearly drawn, and that any capital games with new technologies should be banned. Such games are not for the benefit of society, nor for the development of our technology, but rather for the loss of dirty water and children.

　　陈磊：我觉得我们国家其实可以从互联网方面汲取监管和政策层面的经验的。我们今天不但有主权互联网还有民族互联网，中国是除了美国之外唯一一个诞生千亿市值互联网公司的国家，这与我们对公司的政策和监管是分不开的。刚才嘉宾们也都谈到，中国和美国在同一个起跑线上，区块链基础技术的竞争主要是在主链这个层面，不是任何一个去开发区块链应用的企业，或者是创业者都要去很懂区块链最底层的技术，去做这条主链。今天全球范围内大部分主链都是在美国诞生，也是在美国运营。我们不能像错过芯片、操作系统这样的机会一样去错过主链这样的机会。我希望并呼吁全世界包括政府大力扶植做区块链底层基础研究和基础如的企业，甚至我认为有可能像我们建设互联网一样，国家直接投入建立三大运营商，我们是不是应该去建立区块链时代的三大运营商。

We are not the only countries to have a 100-billion-dollar market-market Internet company, except the United States, which is not indistinguishable from our policies and regulations. As the guests have just said, the competition between China and the United States on the same starting line is mainly at the level of the main chain, not at the level of any enterprise that develops a block chain, or at the level of entrepreneurs who are going to know the bottom of the chain, to do it.

　　迅雷作为做区块链基础底层研究，致力于做世界上最快主链的公司，特别希望能够看到政府的支持和国家的关怀。

As a bottom-of-the-line research on block chains committed to the fastest chain in the world, it was particularly desirable to see the support of the Government and the care of the State.

　　主持人：元道先生这回还会一如既往持否定观点吗？你们俩从开始到现在关键相左。

Moderator: Will Mr. Wondo continue to hold a negative view this time? The two of you have been at odds from the beginning to the present.

　　元道：我非常赞同陈磊的观点，我也说三句话，第一句话：人类生存有三个基本方式，生活、生产和生命，互联网已经把生活完全数字化了，今天区块链与生产，从数字生活走向数字生产，从数字生产走向数字生命，意味着区块链和实体经济的结合，区块链和生命科学的结合是真正的蓝海，这是第一句话。

Maedo: I very much agree with Chen's view, and I would like to say three words, the first: that there are three basic ways of human survival, life, production and life, that the Internet has completely digitized life, and that the first sentence is that today the chain of blocks and production, moving from digital to digital production and from digital production to digital life, means the combination of blocks and the real economy, and that the combination of blocks and life sciences is the true blue sea.

　　第二句话呼应陈磊谈的区块链的基石是公链，只有纵横交错多姿多彩的公链才能建立新一代的数字经济，主题是更加自由，更加繁荣，更加强大。

The second sentence echoes Chen's talk that the cornerstone of the block chain is the public chain, which can only build a new generation of digital economies with more freedom, prosperity and strength through a multiplicity of public chains.

　　第三句话：自由是有前提的，这种更高程度的自由不能都依赖于传统的政府监管，除了监管之外，还会增加很多的自律，社群的自理，信仰，这些内容都不是中心化可以解决，更高程度的自由绝对不是无政府主义。

Third sentence: Freedom is a prerequisite, and this higher degree of freedom cannot all be dependent on traditional government regulation. In addition to regulation, there will be much more self-regulation, community self-regulation, faith, none of these elements can be addressed centrally, and the higher degree of freedom is definitely not anarchist.

　　主持人：谢谢元道。最后有请张教授对放大价值防范风险给我们做一个总结，划一个句号。

: Thank you, Yuando. Finally, Professor Zhang will give us a summary of the risk of magnifying.

　　张首晟：放大价值我已经提过，区块链是互联网的十倍或者一百倍，监管上能不能提出一个全新的概念，我们所谓的监管就是一个法规，在区块链时代有一个新的概念，就是智能合约，法规就是法规，智能合约本身就是法规，或者程序就是法规。能不能在区块链时代，监管区块链的法规本身就是一个智能合约。智能合约里面包括哪些呢？本来就是数学程序，比如包含人工智能的功能，就能读你的白皮书，看你白皮书是不是抄来了，如果发现全是抄来的白皮书通过人工智能马上就能发现。另外还有一个非常奇妙的数学形式，在座各位真正听说过的非常少，我认为这将会成为整个区块链的核心技术。叫形式证明，区块链上都是一个个智能合约，智能合约和白皮书是不是一样，一般人也不一定看得懂，世界上有多少人可以看是不是跟白皮书一样。就是看你每一步的逻辑是不是跟白皮书讲的一样。白皮书用人工智能来读也变成数学形式，把每个智能合约也变成数学形式，两个比较当中真正做到自动化的监管，这是区块链时代全新的一个想法。

I've already mentioned the value of magnification: whether the block chain is a ten-fold or a hundred-fold Internet, and whether regulation can introduce a completely new concept, is what we call regulation. In addition, there is a new concept in the age of the block chain, which is smart contracts, which is smart contracts, which are rules, or procedures. In the age of the block chain, whether the regulation of the block chain is an intelligent contract or not. The smart contract is a mathematical program, for example, with an artificial intelligence function, you can read your white paper, and if you find that the white paper is copied, you can find it by artificial intelligence. There is also a very amazing mathematical form, which you really have heard of, and which I think will be the core of the entire block chain. It is called form proof that there is a smart contract on the chain, like the smart contract and the white paper, and it is not necessarily understood that many people in the world can see it as a white paper.

　　主持人：谢谢。今天我们《对话》节目关注的区块链，对于今天这个时代来说毫无疑问是新生事物，其实在人类文明的发展进程当中很多新生事物，无论是新技术，新应用，或者是新产品，在它诞生的初期总会迎接来自人们完全不一样的目光，比如说欣喜或者是抱怨，相信或者是质疑，也许今天区块链也正在经历着这样的一切，历史告诉我们未来总会给今天一个更好的答案。比如说当机器刚刚发明出来的时候，工人们失业，他们满腹牢骚，但是最后人们发现日渐现代化的机器和设备，其实已经把人类生产效率提高到前所未有的新高度。

Thank you. Today's block chain of interest for our Dialogue program is undoubtedly a new thing for today's time. In fact, many of the new things in the development of human civilization, be they new technologies, new applications, or new products, have always come from completely different perspectives in the early days of its existence, such as joy or complaining, believing or questioning, and perhaps today's block chain is going through something like this, and history has taught us that the future will always be a better answer. For example, when the machine was invented, the workers were unemployed and they were grieving, but in the end it was discovered that modern machines and equipment had actually raised the productivity of human production to unprecedented new heights.

　　今天中国看到随着VC、PE大举进入，或者看到BAT大力布局，你会发现区块链成为资本市场炙手可热的宠儿，这种热度在我们心中，这样的热并不陌生，回想P2P、O2O、共享经济等等，也依然可以触摸当年他们的火热，如果说区块链技术的火热不会让我们惧怕，那是因为我们心中有更多的理性更多的冷静，我们呼唤区块链越来越成熟的未来，我们有更多的理性和冷静面对它，期待它。

Today, as China sees VC, PE rushing in, or seeing BAT roll-out, you'll find that block chains are the hottest pets of the capital market. The heat is not new to us, thinking about P2Ps, O2Os, sharing the economy, etc., can still touch the heat of the year. If the heat of block chain technology does not scare us, it's because we have more rational coolness in our hearts, and we call for the growing maturity of the block chain, and we have more reason and calmness to face it and look forward to it.

　　谢谢各位收看我们今天的《对话》，也谢谢现场嘉宾的关注，下周同一时间再见。

Thank you for watching our Dialogue today, as well as the attention of our guests on the ground, and I will see you again next week at the same time.

责任编辑：何凯玲